how honest are the proponents of evolution?
idk but curious to see what type of response there is on a topic like this or does their study only seek to confirm their preconceptions and ignore uncomfortable facts?
Of course, all this arguing could be instantly resolved if the big guy in the sky just picked up his gigantic cosmic megaphone, switched it on and shouted:
"hey, humans, over here, here I am, the one you've been searching for since forever, stop arguing already, I'm GOD, now quit bickering and get on with your damn lives'...."
Yeah, all the mountains of the earth would probably shake, but then there would be no mistaking... of course he'd have 'a lot' of questions to answer to....
the day i left it was pouring rain........i really screwed up, i found out the night before, as i was packing things up, that i had way under estimated how much stuff i had.
i had two large suit cases (that i could barely shut the lids on) and a large army duffel bag.
i would guess about 200 pounds of shit......my van was in rhode island with the engine out of it.
well after a few years of lots thinking, questioning everything, and deconstructing of jw logic, i keep coming up against some problems.
though i probably consider myself an agnostic nowadays, one of the conclusions i keep coming back to is, if there is a god, looking at the way nature is structured, for example the predator-prey system that is indispensible to the survival of organisms, he is unlikely to be the same loving guy that's described in the bible (could he not have come up with a more compassionate system of survival in his limitless intelligence).
then again sometimes the actions described in the bible make him look like the description in the title of this thread... jw's definitely didn't help much with their logic.
Wow.... I thought 'my' feelings about the big evil deity in the sky were harsh, but OMG, some of you guys are on a whole different level... it's comforting, I hope to be as free as you all are one day...
bit by bit, i've been getting my feet wet, learning about some of the fascinating features of past and present life on earth, the natural world. The more I learn the more I have to ask, 'how can anyone who believes in god after learning this stuff 'not question' the idea that an all loving, all intelligent being did this work'.... the facts about nature are so overwhelming and damning if you try to put a god in the equation, he comes out as a cruel bastard that 'f**ks' with his creation just for the fun of it, a kind of Dr Frankenstein, experimenting with evil ideas and coming up with how he can creat oranisms with the maximum amount of suffering..... my beliefs have been shattered just looking at nature...
well after a few years of lots thinking, questioning everything, and deconstructing of jw logic, i keep coming up against some problems.
though i probably consider myself an agnostic nowadays, one of the conclusions i keep coming back to is, if there is a god, looking at the way nature is structured, for example the predator-prey system that is indispensible to the survival of organisms, he is unlikely to be the same loving guy that's described in the bible (could he not have come up with a more compassionate system of survival in his limitless intelligence).
then again sometimes the actions described in the bible make him look like the description in the title of this thread... jw's definitely didn't help much with their logic.
Well after a few years of lots thinking, questioning everything, and deconstructing of JW logic, I keep coming up against some problems. Though I probably consider myself an agnostic nowadays, one of the conclusions I keep coming back to is, IF there is a god, looking at the way nature is structured, for example the predator-prey system that is indispensible to the survival of organisms, he is unlikely to be the same loving guy that's described in the bible (could he not have come up with a more compassionate system of survival in his limitless intelligence). Then again sometimes the actions described in the bible make him look like the description in the title of this thread... JW's definitely didn't help much with their logic. Do you remember that oft recited illustration about the landlord evicting bad tenants... here's an example:
Fulfillment: Having disposed of false religion, God will turn his attention to other organizations—political and commercial—as well as to wicked people. (Proverbs 2:22; Revelation 19:17, 18)
Like a landlord who evicts destructive tenants, God will “bring to ruin
those ruining the earth.” He will destroy those who fill it with
violence and sexually degrading practices.—Revelation 11:18; Romans 1:18, 26-29. Awake November 2012 (the bible - a book of accurate prophecy- part 7 "the end will come")
I was thinking about that illustration this evening, well, it seems reasonable right?, BUT, then I got to thinking, 'how did that Landlord behave during Noah's day?'
If you think about it, what supposedly happened in Noah's day would be tantamount to a Landlord making the 'good' tenants leave temporarily, and then (let's use fire as an example), burning the house down, with the bad tenants still in the house, Killing them, along with their children, any new born babies, the two dogs, the cat, the hamster, the gerbil, the Parrot, the gold fish, the plants, and destroying all the interior design and furnishings, all of that destruction just to get rid of a few wayward tenants.
Now if a human acted this way, you might immediately think 'PSYCHOPATH'...
But that cannot be said of an all-wise creator, my only conclusion is, if there really is a god who is all wise and all knowing, he must at least be 50% horrifically cruel and irrational, because a human behaving this way would just be unacceptable, but a loving creator???
It is very unlikely I would be able to worship a divine being who is capable of such mind-boggling behaviour, especially since that one NEVER puts in an appearance to explain their actions, instead humans are left in the dark to try to figure things out for themselves since the divine writings cause even more confusion than human philosopy...
whichever way I look at it, either from a nature point of view, or from a biblical viewpoint, he just seems like one crazy MO' FO' (dare I say, lucifer ain't got nothing on him, no wonder the demons shudder)
so went to the meeting last night.
i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).
besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.
I'm expecting Simba to come bouncing around the corner any minute...
so went to the meeting last night.
i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).
besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/nyregion/stalled-brooklyn-park-exposes-rift-with-religious-group.html?_r=0.
jehovahs witnesses have been criticized by community leaders for not fixing up parks in dumbo, brooklyn, as promised.
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I dread to think what the 'earth-wide' paradise is going to look like....
after seeing the 'illustration' posted by SG098 I had to go search for the actual copy on the JWorg site because I couldn't believe that picture was real. To me that picture speaks of 'utter evil', everyone there hugging and laughing and 'being nice' to each other, while a person stands there in the corner completely alone, totally ignored. I mean, doesn't that strike you as just 'a tiny bit insensitive'?
'Look at us, we're all so loving to each other, but YOU stay there, you're not included in this', we're so loving, that's why we're ignoring you.... Apologies SG098, I actually doubted the picture, because on seeing it I thought, that sh*t cant be f***ing real, it's just too cruel, it must be a photoshop, but no, it's bloody real, I downloaded the magazine and lo and behold there's the picture... the borg has a totally twisted view of love, call it what it really is, hate, manipulation, bullying, passive aggressive control, ... the whole flipping congregation sending one 'weak' person to coventry, I'm gobsmacked... How I never saw this when I was still in, I don't know
jehovah's witnesses are such loving people with christian personalities, are they not?.
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(ps, yes, i have a youtube channel.
ok... these guys piss me off, unfortunately, if you're into watching lots of apostate vids on youtube, this type of reaction is far more common than one would think; One thing I love about the youtuber JwFairytale, is he actually makes videos, answering, or mocking these abusive people, or analyzing their ridiculous objections to his video content, hilarious to watch.
ok, I need to have some fun with this person's comments.
Shame on you apostate:
Just because JW's are a 'shame' based culture, doesn't mean the whole world gives a fuck about their psuedo authority to dish out shame willy nilly...
You are to be pitied.
if you are to be pitied why is that 'apparently compassionate statement' IMMEDIATELY followed by an abusive attitude that is the complete opposite of pity?
you are a FILTHY liar;
as opposed to a CLEAN, PRISTINE liar?
I will be happy when you are shunned by the faithful ones
hmmm I thought shunning was supposed to be a loving arrangement, not an arrangement that was put in place to 'make the congregation members feel HAPPY'
Let me tell you, your life WILL be ruined
is that another Borg prophecy? their track record for prophecy fulfillment is about, well, 0% success rate, I think you're gonna be okay. (and who the hell says things like 'let me tell you', before making a statement, he sounds like he pulled that line straight out of a JW bible drama about pharaoh)
You don't 'DESERVE' to be in God's congregation...
Does anybody DESERVE to be in the congregation? oh ok, this JW must have been late that meeting when they read the scripture that said anyone born into sin 'DESERVES DEATH', oh and the other one that talks about people being saved because of 'UN-DESERVED' kindness..... someone probably needs to remind this JW who just loves to condemn others via scathing monologues that he doesn't deserve anything either...
so don't take the lord's name in vain;
erm well that's going to be a bit difficult, because nobody actually knows what the Lord's bloody real name is anyway, so you can say all you want about Jeehooboo, it ain't the lords name (oops, or perhaps it IS Jeehooboo, oh oh)
Get out and REPENT:
ok, this must be a JW giving advice, because the whole of the rest of the entire population of the ENTIRE EARTH would usually say, 'get out and HAVE FUN man', but no, 'get out and repent' this has to be a JW speaking ... I don't even know what 'get out and repent' even means anyway..
dear anthony morris, iii:.
i wanted to send you a note of "thanks" on this special day.. why is this day special, you may ask?
one year ago today, you, tony, woke me up to the fact that the governing body could not have jehovah's blessing or direction.. last year, on november 8th & 9th, 2014, the united states branch visit was broadcast to over 1,000,000 jehovah's witnesses across the country.. as i sat at the kingdom hall listening to the "historic occasion," i was ignoring certain doubts that had surfaced in the few months prior.
Hang on a minute, this whole 'asking the sisters if tight pants are attractive on brothers', i.e. the metrosexual look.
He said he asked 'sister after sister' if they found that look APPEALING, ATTRACTIVE on a brother, and they 'apparently' said 'NO'...
So isn't he suggesting that brothers should be dressing in a way that single sisters find 'attractive' 'appealing', huh?
I don't ever remember seeing that counsel in the from the Borganisation, Imagine that, 'now brothers, you will only be allowed to go out in field service and have privileges if you dress in a way that the sisters find ATTRACTIVE and APPEALING'... how would that go down.... Great use of logic AM3
I definitely don't miss the Borg, full of toxic negativity towards the rank and file, and festering with guilt tripping,
